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ZOOM, ZOOM, ZOOM: Sometimes, in-person is better

Gregg Herman is a family law attorney with Loeb & Herman in Milwaukee. He is board certified in Family Law Trial Advocacy by the NBTA, a fellow of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers and is a former chairman of the Wisconsin Bar Association and ABA Family Law Sections. In addition to writing for the Wisconsin Law Journal on family law issues, he operates Wisconsin Family Law Case Finder, a legal research site for family law practitioners. He welcomes comments at gherman@loebherman.com.

Gregg Herman is a family law attorney with Loeb & Herman in Milwaukee. He is board certified in Family Law Trial Advocacy by the NBTA, a fellow of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers and is a former chairman of the Wisconsin Bar Association and ABA Family Law Sections. In addition to writing for the Wisconsin Law Journal on family law issues, he operates Wisconsin Family Law Case Finder, a legal research site for family law practitioners. He welcomes comments at gherman@loebherman.com.

In a previous column, I commented that one of the few silver linings of the dark, dark cloud called COVID-19 is that it has led to an increased use of technology, such as Zoom, and the resulting avoidance of unnecessary costs.

Well, every silver lining has a cloud. In this case, it’s the loss of certain advantages which arise from looking someone directly in the eye – and I don’t mean using a screen.

To be sure, I’m not retracting anything I said in my previous column. The idea of forcing two lawyers and two parties to attend a ten-minute pretrial conference (excluding the inevitable irrelevant remarks: Hey! How about those Bucks!) instead of just clicking from one’s home or office or cell phone is incredibly inefficient. Two lawyers have to bill traveling time, the parties have to take time off work and sometimes child care has to be arranged, just to name the big sources of costs. And if Wisconsin would just learn from other states, then we’d know even default hearings should be held using Zoom – or done by affidavit with no appearance at all.

But, as with all good things (with the exception of Badger football victories), there are limits. The ease and efficiency of using Zoom sometimes ignores the value of appearing in person. In family-law practice, this comes into play primarily at two times: First, in the initial selection of clients and second, in negotiating settlements, especially in mediation.

Regarding the first, not all lawyers are able to select clients. After all, a first-year associate probably does not get much choice in the matter. And, in the real world, some lawyers’ choices are limited when their rent is late. But when I’m asked how I have survived being a divorce lawyer for more than 30 years (I started very young), my answer is “by avoiding bad clients.” I’m certainly not perfect at it, but it is a priority. First, I don’t do the half-hour consultation (sometimes less time) as some lawyers do, as it does not give me sufficient time to assess a client (or vice versa). Second, if possible, I prefer to do consultation in person rather than by phone or Zoom to get a better read on a person.

Similarly, as a mediator, in-person is preferable. Yes, there are savings that come from not having to travel and from letting lawyers work on other cases while the mediator is meeting with the other party. But settlements are, in my opinion, more likely and better if a mediator can directly take the temperature of a room. And if the matter does not settle – or settle better – what’s the point?

Experts in communication have estimated that communication is approximately 80 percent nonverbal. More specifically, according to Psychology Today, the prevailing belief is that 55% of communication is through body language, 38% through tone of voice, and 7% through actual words spoken.

Although the quality of Zoom communication is amazing, nothing replaces the ability to watch the body language of another person. And although I’ve conducted Zoom consultations and been involved in Zoom mediations, unlike pretrials and status conferences with courts, they are always better in-person. And given the importance of those activities, we should do them in the best way. And that, where possible, is in the old-fashioned way.

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