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Reversing course: Wisconsin seeks federal OK to aid the unemployed with disabilities

Caleb Frostman, Wisconsin Secretary of Workforce Development, is asking the U.S. Department of Labor to allow his agency to issue Pandemic Unemployment Assistance — a program created under Congress' disaster stimulus bill — to unemployed workers who also receive federal disability benefits. The push comes after the DWD began denying such claims. (Photo by Coburn Dukehart / Wisconsin Watch)

Caleb Frostman, Wisconsin Secretary of Workforce Development, is asking the U.S. Department of Labor to allow his agency to issue Pandemic Unemployment Assistance — a program created under Congress’ disaster stimulus bill — to unemployed workers who also receive federal disability benefits. The push comes after the DWD began denying such claims. (Photo by Coburn Dukehart / Wisconsin Watch)

Following a slew of denials, state regulators are now pushing to give federal pandemic aid to laid-off Wisconsinites with disabilities.

The Wisconsin Department of Workforce Development is asking the U.S. Department of Labor to allow it to issue Pandemic Unemployment Assistance — a program under Congress’ disaster stimulus bill — to unemployed workers who also receive federal disability benefits. Ben Jedd, a DWD spokesman, said on Tuesday that the agency had yet to hear the labor department’s response.

The request signals a possible about-face in practice, and it follows a WPR/Wisconsin Watch report about the DWD’s denials of aid under the program to such part-time workers.

The report was mostly about Jessica Barrera, a single mother in Eau Claire with a rare blood disorder and depression and anxiety. Her $1,000 to $1,200 monthly Social Security Disability Insurance checks paid for little more than rent for herself and her son, meaning she must also work part time. After COVID-19 hit, she was laid off and denied additional pandemic unemployment payments.

About 175,000 working-age Wisconsinites rely on SSDI to supplement their incomes. A vast majority of them work. SSDI guidelines allow — and even encourage — part-time work as long as recipients earn no more than $1,260 a month. The federal program serves people who have worked and paid Social Security taxes but can no longer perform “substantially gainful activity.”

But Wisconsin’s Republican-controlled Legislature in 2013 passed a law barring that group from simultaneously receiving state unemployment insurance after losing work.

DWD staff has cited that law in blocking Barrera and other SSDI recipients from receiving benefits under PUA — separate money Congress has earmarked for people who lost their jobs because of the pandemic but “would not qualify for regular unemployment compensation.”

DWD Secretary Caleb Frostman is now asking the federal government to allow Wisconsin to change course.

“If Wisconsin SSDI recipients otherwise meet COVID-related eligibility, they should not be disqualified from PUA benefits,” Frostman wrote in a June 9 letter to U.S. Labor Secretary Eugene Scalia.

The letter came two weeks after Amy Banicki, DWD unemployment insurance deputy administrator, sought federal guidance on the issue, noting DWD staff believed SSDI recipients could not recweive pandemic aid, although Frostman thought they possibly could. DWD staff said the 2013 law, coupled with Congress’ lack of specificity on how to handle SSDI claims, left the agency with no choice but to deny such claims.

In a May 29 reply, Jeffrey Haluska, a federal labor department unemployment insurance specialist, agreed with DWD staff.

Writing to Scalia, Frostman called the interpretation flawed and possibly discriminatory against people with disabilities.

“I am concerned that the interpretation could be viewed as denying benefits based on disability using SSDI as a proxy or as having a disparate impact on individuals with disabilities because all SSDI recipients — by definition — have disabilities,” Frostman wrote.

He added: “The Department ardently protects against discrimination and such an interpretation would run counter to that policy.”

Frostman’s letter came after WPR and Wisconsin Watch reported that DWD had denied regular unemployment insurance to 138 SSDI recipients between March 16 and May 29.

Jedd said DWD lacked data on how many SSDI recipients applied for PUA. The issue could affect thousands of workers as the economy struggles to rebound during the pandemic.

Victor Forberger, supervising attorney for the University of Wisconsin’s Unemployment Compensation Appeals Clinic, represents about 20 SSDI recipients in appeals of their denied claims. He cheered the possible change.

“Given the numbers of people affected by this policy it’s just phenomenal,” he said. “I’m hoping that something can be done here, and that they follow through on this.”

Barrera is among those who could benefit from the shift, along with her 10-year-old son Niko. DWD denied her claims for regular unemployment insurance and pandemic aid after an airport shuttle service laid her off in March.

Spurred by the news report, a reader offered to pay the car insurance bill Barrera had let lapse after she lost income.

“It was a retired couple. They had taken their stimulus money and put it aside, and they were giving portions of it to different people that they thought it would help,” Barrera said.

But Barrera said she accumulated nearly $4,000 in debt since March — paying for rent, internet, utilities and clothes for fast-growing Niko, among other expenses. She appealed her PUA denial but has yet to receive a hearing date.

Unable to wait any longer, she found a new job working weekends at Menards beginning this month. The prospect of retroactively receiving federal aid — if the state reverses its policy and its overwhelmed unemployment insurance system resolves her appeal — offered additional hope.

“I’m at a loss for words,” she said of Frostman’s letter. “I prayed so hard …Today, out of all the days, I was thinking, ‘What am I gonna do? There are three months of income gone, how do I recover this money?’ ”

Forberger said he was surprised to see Frostman’s letter, given that just last week, an unemployment judge denied the appeal from one of his SSDI clients based on the 2013 state law. On June 9 — the date of Frostman’s letter — a DWD attorney pushed Forberger to drop that appeal.

The client “is ineligible for each week of each month that she receives SSDI — this is well-settled. It is questionable to me what purpose her appeal serves,” Andy Rubsam, the DWD attorney, wrote to Forberger in an email. “Please let me know whether she intends to withdraw (or please contact the hearing office to withdraw the appeal).”

The mixed messages coming from the agency “indicate there may be some obstacles down the road” for SSDI recipients seeking unemployment benefits, Forberger said. He calls the 2013 law discriminatory.

“It’s pretty obvious to anyone who does employment discrimination law — that if you had a private employer taking these actions, they would be in serious trouble,” Forberger said.

Jedd said DWD hopes a formal Department of Labor opinion will give Wisconsin wiggle room to issue pandemic benefits to SSDI recipients, despite the 2013 state law. But DWD will not update its approach until that guidance arrives, he said.

This story comes from a partnership of Wisconsin Watch and WPR. Bram Sable-Smith is WPR’s Mike Simonson Memorial Investigative Fellow embedded in the newsroom of Wisconsin Watch, which collaborates with WPR, PBS Wisconsin, other news media and the University of Wisconsin-Madison School of Journalism and Mass Communication.

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  1. I am a citizen of Appleton Wisconsin I am a foster parent and even on a local and City level they are telling me to put my niece back into a dangerous situation to get benefits from the state and also telling me that that would help my case for unemployment which was a lie I am losing hope and all assistance programs we have been denied foster care benefits and guardianship pay there is a lawsuit being pushed against CPS of Wisconsin and CPS of Nebraska on top of this class action lawsuit going on my niece suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and severe trauma and we have been getting no assistance for 9 months well before any of this covid-19 demek relief happened and then for my company to tell me that my niece’s concerns on mental health and physical health are not their concerns because I had to leave work because she has a compromised immune system but I paid into 38 to $45,000 and taxes the SSDI section of Appleton Wisconsin says there are people who are on SSDI who are getting these payments and they do not understand why I am not how are we supposed to trust a governing body when we do not have Governors senators or other elected officials with the people’s best interest these are the calamities. Keep pushing for that cause civil unrest with people I really do hope that someday we will receive assistance because I do not know how I’m going to afford anything that’s going to help my niece in school next year like clothing schooling supplies in a long list of other things not to mention that we are also falling thousands of dollars in debt to and I am only on Social Security but I’m being told that I have to put my niece at risk because she has a compromised immune system due to her medication along with my girlfriend who has epilepsy and her medication weakens her threshold overall on any illness and now I’m being told that I have to jeopardize my family’s life to earn pennies when this should not be the case I escaped Nebraska for very similar reasons and it deeply saddens me to know that a worse off environment would have actually provided me the proper pay when it comes to unemployment pandemic pay and any other state related program or city-related program I hope that somebody is able to fix this because this is ridiculous how can you say you’re actually for the people but you let us suffer

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